Devolución 14/09/2023

Estas son la Respuestas a las consultas realizadas, las mismas se encuentran en los archivos originales que fueron enviados.

COMUNICANICACIONES ADMINISTRACIÓN, FIDUCIARIA

Y MESA DE TRABAJO

Vale covacevich <secretaria@admvillamaria.com>lun, 18 sept, 15:50 (hace 2 días)
para mariana, Agustin, mí

Estimada Mariana, espero te encuentres muy bien, te  molesto para ver de coordinar una reunión presencial  y así tratar todas las repreguntas planteadas en la nota que me dejaste el pasado jueves 14/09.

Me acompañaría Agustín y deberíamos contar con la presencia de algún otro propietario que quiera participar de la misma.

Te propongo como fechas y horarios probables, el miércoles o jueves alrededor de las 10 hs. puede ser en Villa María o si te queda más cómodo podemos acercarnos a tus oficinas.

Quedo a la espera de tu respuesta.

Saludos

Valeria


mariana19 sept 2023, 14:49 (hace 1 día)
Hola Valeria y Agustín, disculpas por la demora en contestarles, estoy copiando a Tamara, Andrea, Julián quienes forman parte de la mesa de trabajo ya que hice
Vale covacevich <secretaria@admvillamaria.com>13:24 (hace 5 horas)
para Juliantam@uasabi.laandreaortigoza@hotmail.com, mariana, Agustin, mí

Estimada, estamos ok para mañana a las 10,30 hs en el golf.

Saludos

Valeria


Buenos Aires, 19 de septiembre de 2023.
 Estimados Tomás, Ricardo, Valeria y Agustín,
 Ante todo agradecemos, una vez más, el marco de apertura y colaboración generado durante nuestra última reunión de “Mesa de Trabajo” el pasado jueves 14 de septiembre.
 Luego de la misma y, a partir de compartir con el resto de los propietarios lo conversado, resurgió la relevancia de clarificar las cuentas del pasado para avanzar con las acciones que nos encaminarán hacia un ordenamiento en la gestión de la administración del barrio.
 
 Consideramos que para ello, resulta necesario el compromiso fehaciente de compartir la información y documentación financiera, contable y de gestión en general de entre 2018 y 2023 para una auditoría externa de la misma lo que hará deponer la medida de fuerza. Se entiende por compromiso fehaciente un documento legal en el que se detallarán los puntos a auditar y los plazos.
 Hemos logrado como Barrio ponernos de acuerdo en que mejorar la comunicación y transparencia nos permitirá de ahora en más enfocarnos juntos en el futuro y las acciones necesarias para hacer de EVM el lugar que todos queremos.
 Desde ya agradecemos la atención que puedan brindarle al presente y a la espera de vuestra respuesta.
 Atentamente.
 Mesa de Trabajo.

———- Forwarded message ———
From: Ricardo Paz <rpaz@bgzfiduciaria.com>
Date: Wed, Sep 20, 2023 at 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: Agradecimiento y pedido
Estimados  Propietarios integrantes  de la Mesa de Trabajo, espero que se encuentren bien, y nuevamente, les agradecemos por su tiempo y colaboración para que entre todos, en un marco de mutuo respeto, logremos consensos en beneficio de Villa María y de todos los propietarios de los más de 600 lotes.
En relación a la auditoría estamos de acuerdo en realizar la misma y consideramos conveniente previamente definir los alcances de la misma, como ser, quien la realizaría, cual es su costo, los procedimientos involucrados, etc.  
En relación a la llamada medida de fuerza, entendiéndose por tal la de promover y llevar a cabo el no pago de las expensas o contribución a los gastos comunes, les recuerdo que en la reunión pasada habíamos acordado, a pedido de algunos de los propietarios que componen la mesa de trabajo que nos convoca, que los propietarios morosos que habían dejado de pagar las expensas en los últimos meses a raíz de las controversias suscitadas, debían regularizar su situación antes del 20 de septiembre de 2023 y de esta manera resultar beneficiarios de una quita del 100%  los intereses devengados, además también de otras cargas por incumplimientos, como ser, las relacionadas con la conexión de la fibra óptica, nuevo esquema de intereses, etc.
Esta medida acordada en el seno de la mesa de trabajo fue motivo de que una cantidad significativa de propietarios, que se encuentran al día con el pago de las expensas y por tal no se sumaron a la medida de fuerza, nos hicieran saber su disconformidad y en algunos casos, enojos y reproches elevados de tono. 
Los puntos o fundamentos en común de tales reproches giran en torno a que no les parecía correcto premiar a quienes en definitiva les estaban causando serios daños al Barrio, a valor de sus lotes, y a los empleados, en tanto que respecto a esto últimos y por falta de fondos, la administración tuvo que pagar su salarios en cuotas lo que mereció un fuerte reproche y advertencia del sindicato que los nuclea.
Nuestra respuesta a tales propietarios se fundamentó en la necesidad y conveniencia de pacificar el Barrio, partiendo de la idea de darnos nuevas oportunidades en los vínculos que nos relacionan, sin prejuzgar, escuchando todas las opiniones, en especial la de los propietarios representados a través de la Red Vecinal, propietarios en disidencia y el Consejo de Administración.
Dicho esto, les pedimos cumplir con lo acordado, informado así por la Administración a todos los propietarios, y les solicitamos regularizar el pago de las expensas e instar al resto de los propietarios a hacerlo de igual manera.
Los saludos muy atte,
Ricardo Paz Herrera

69 respuestas a «Devolución 14/09/2023»

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    Estimado Paz

    Muy desacertado su último mensaje/mail. Como propietario preocupado por la situación financiera del Barrio, esperaba encontrar alguna de las repuestas sobre las consultas enviadas. En su lugar, permítame decirle que, no solo peca de inoportuno sino que intenta imponerle un peso, que no corresponde en la espalda de la Mesa de Trabajo al indicarles deben ‘’ instar al resto de los propietarios’’ a deponer la medida.

    Esta solicitud, además, es atemporal ya que Ud. envió el mail/mensaje a las 15:14hs del día que vencía el supuesto plazo y al 6to día del plazo en el que debían responder las consultas “Anexo’’ entregadas en la reunión del 14 del corriente, condición sine qua non para regularizar la situación, o en su caso, que las respuestas más documentación estuviera disponible en el drive o en la plataforma. Nada de ello ha sucedido. Más aún, su mensaje/mail no hace ningún aporte, salvo la mención a la promesa de aceptar la auditoria solicitada por los propietarios.

    Sepa Ud. que lo que llama «medida de fuerza’’, no lo es, responde solo a decisiones particulares compartidas por distintos propietarios informados de la posible existencia de un actuar desprolijo y/o ineficaz al administrar fondos de terceros, en este caso un intento de ‘’recupero de gastos’’ o mal llamadas expensas donde no hay claridad, consistencia ni concordancia entre lo que se informa en las liquidaciones entregadas y el cruce con las cuentas y cajas, VEPS, etc. Es mas estos errores e inconsistencias han sido reconocidos por Ud. y la propia administración.

    Más aun, frente a esta situación de dudas se le hacen consultas escritas, donde teniendo la obligación contractual de rendir cuentas, no sólo no las responden sino que eligen ignorarlas. Ud. mismo recibió mails que he enviado hace mas de 6 meses (23 de febrero 2023), mail 8 de junio 2023, 11 de agosto 2023, 25 de agosto 2023, como asi también CD (17 abril 2023 y 30 junio 2023) donde he consultado por la administración que Ud. y la Sociedad Administradora ha hecho sobre los fondos que he aportado de buena fe para supuestos gastos, y que al día de hoy no me ha respondido.

    Dicho esto, y dada las inconsistencias esgrimidas que a la fecha no han sido contestadas, pretender el cumplimiento de plazos y/o pago de intereses resulta por demás una conducta abusiva de vuestra parte, previo a exigir hay que cumplir, la medida de los propietarios la única finalidad que tiene es la rendición de cuentas y la auditoría externa para saber y conocer que se hace con la plata que administran, es decir, queremos resguardar nuestro capital, y aportarlos a quien nos ofrezca las seguridades razonables legales, contables y comerciales.

    Entonces aún así, Ud. cree que se le debe seguir aportando dinero en estas condiciones?

    Primero debería rendir cuentas como corresponde por lo actuado, justifique contable y legalmente para que se usaron los dineros ya aportados por los propietarios. Recién cuando estas respuestas puedan ser auditadas y resultan satisfactorias para los aportantes volverá a ser oportuno hablar de plazos, nuevos intereses y demás conceptos por Ud. expuestos.

    Concretamente, no es función de la Mesa de Trabajo instar, persuadir o lo que fuera a los propietarios, si quiere mejorar el aporte de fondos y recaudación para afrontar gastos colabore a pleno con la auditoria pedida, y atienda en tiempo y forma todas las consultas que reciba de cualquier propietario con boleto, el cual le permite agotar toda consulta que crea conveniente y a Ud lo obliga a rendir cuentas sobre la administración de sus fondos.

    Créame que cualquier propietario de bien pagara al día su liquidación cuando la información allí brindada sea clara, concisa y transparente.

    Sepa Ud. que, en mi opinión, al momento Ud. tiene mas para responder que exigir.

    Petitorio: En virtud de lo expuesto y en el marco de mutuo respeto para lograr consensos en beneficio de Villa María seria un gran gesto por parte de la Administración prorrogar los plazos y eliminar cualquier tipo de interés que se pretenda cobrar hasta que se comience con la auditoria externa que se acordó.

    Saluda atentamente

    Ignacio Ygartua

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